wow:
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
I always thought it was suspicious that they immediately closed and tore down the wet market where the outbreak was said to originally occur, before any investigation could be made.
jh1517 wrote:
wow:
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
This is an informative article. When I lived in Salt Lake City, I think it was 2016, China tested a bioweapon at Dugway. 2017 was a particularly bad flu season in Utah. The Army filmed the test and put it online back then - I guess nobody thought this was a bad idea back then. Other countries tested there too. The Army invites foreign countries to test their bioweapons at Dugway. They have undergrads calculate the wind speed and direction, that's how much they care about civilians down wind. Twice when I lived in Salt Lake, hot greasy soot came raining down in the yard and burned my skin. I couldn't stop the burning even in the shower. One of those times, everyone I knew with security clearance had left town for that weekend and encouraged me to do the same, but didn't give a reason. I wish I had left. they claimed it was coal ash - like that is greasy, hot, and burns your skin even after washing.
Anyway, my point is - I think the US is just as likely to be involved or the culprit of any accidental releases of SARS - and agree that they should roast alive that scientist in your article for not disclosing conflicts.
The La Jolla Immunology Institute found that people had immunity to SARS COV 2 in 2015 https://rdcu.be/ckcyY . They say it might be from the other corona viruses, but they weren't saying that when they first came out with the study. IDK. I find that suspicious.
edanajo wrote:
The La Jolla Immunology Institute found that people had immunity to SARS COV 2 in 2015 https://rdcu.be/ckcyY . They say it might be from the other corona viruses, but they weren't saying that when they first came out with the study. IDK. I find that suspicious.
I read this and it says it’s a study from 2015-2018 on immunity to corona viruses and specifically states that it’s prior to COVID-19. Are you saying the original report has been modified and it said COVID-19 was studied in 2015-2018? If so, do you have a link or download to the original report? Such a document would be a huge disclosure.
Essentially, the La Jolla Im group tested stored samples that had been collected in 2015-2018 and found the samples had Tcell response to SARS CoV2 - before the current pandemic. I do recall that they originally implied a previous exposure to another version of SARS that might have already been circulating before the current pandemic (which in my opinion cannot be ruled out), could have caused this response in 2015-2018 samples. I can't find a source for that. I started taking screenshots of this stuff, because I know articles get retracted all the time when other scientists and the government pressure them for going against the narrative. The article they published in Cell and Nature states the Tcell reactivity they saw was likely due to previous common cold coronaviruses.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0389-z
I find this to be one possible explanation. These same scientists (along with Chinese scientists) are saying that exposure to the first SARS pandemic 2002-2004 can cause this same kind of cross-reactive positive Tcell test, but that it doesn't mean that previous exposure to the 2002-2004 SARS creates neutralizing antibodies to the current SARS CoV2. I just found that today. Sorry, to sort of debunk myself. 🙁 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124720307026 . Anyway, this is in line with what I originally recall was implied by their first study results. Only apparently, previous exposure to SARS 2002-2004 version doesn't get you anything today in terms of survival, because your Tcells respond, but they don't end up neutralizing the infected cells.
This Nature article above and this BMJ article talks about multiple other studies that found previous positive immune reactivity to current SARS CoV2. They also speculate that it's caused by exposure to common coronaviruses. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563
I'm of the opinion that the MERS that started in 2012- ... still collecting cases in Dec 2020, and the previous SARS 2002-2004 outbreaks, both spread to many countries globally, might have been wider spread than we realized and that exposure to any of these previous iterations of SARS could cause the positive Tcell response to the current SARS CoV2. http://www.emro.who.int/health-topics/mers-cov/mers-outbreaks.html .
