I haven't listened completely to Round 2, lol. I get Horsley's perspective. But when you take his position to the extreme, you get Jan Irvin. And I don't think that is healthy. Jason, you should adopts PKD's approach to the Empire. You can give into it or ignore it.. But you can't completely resist it.
My take on Horsley, and this comes from my fiction writer brain perspective, is he's a bit too high on his own supply and would make the perfect antagonist - and as he preaches that all the woo, entities, supernatural, paranormal stuff is a cul-de-sac (so don't bother with it) he's in fact found out it is the gateway to all the good stuff; self-healing, seeing through bullshit, not being controlled by the matrix, etc. and he wants to keep us out of that secret garden. Fiction brain aside, though, Horsley contradicts himself quite a bit. And he seems to have to compare himself to Greg in order to define who he, Horsley, is, which is taking-out-a-tape-measure-by-the-urinals-energy in my opinion.
Enjoy listening to you guys on this and am generally with Jasun on questioning the players and who is or may be a gatekeeper and who maybe isn't but Icke? These guys can tell the whole truth, they just have to own the narrative from 100% Deception to near as dammit the Truth - so there really can be no way Icke is an outlier and clean, he MUST be a gatekeeper even though a) AFAICT he tells it as it is and b) he's likeable and appears totally genuine... Deception is the name of the game after all.
Glad you had Jasun back on. It helped to hear from him how he got where he is. Saying what one thinks clearly is a great skill. He and you do that with gusto. I would have wanted to know from him whether there are any symbols so imbued with good energy that they cannot be neutral....a flip on the pentagram thinking.
The whole questioning Greg's logo just harkens back to Jan Irvin. A little paranoia is healthy, but too much can make you insufferable.
